Why don’t boxers train equally in both stances?

December 14, 2010 December 14, 2010 by Johnny N Boxing Basics, Boxing Mailbag 21 Comments

Train Both Stances

Q: Why shouldn’t boxers train equally in both stances? Being able to fight in both stances equally well would seem to be a major advantage. - Schalk

A: Boxers shouldn’t train in both stances because it means you will have spent half your training time taking away from your most effective, most efficient stance to work on your weaker, less effective, less efficient stance.

Think of it like using a computer mouse. Why would you bother learning how to use the mouse with your left hand when your right hand is so much more efficient? Boxing stances can be the same in that your switch stance will never be as good as your dominant stance. And if you ever reach that point, you would have been better off spending the time to develop more skills from your dominant stance.

I suggest that you keep your strong hand in the rear where it can deliver the most damage, and then keep your weak hand as the range finder hand that sets up the strong hand. To reverse the two can definitely trip up your opponent but wouldn’t be using your hands for their intended purpose. Worst of all, if your opponent is the superior boxer, he only has to switch his stance and apply the same techniques and his switch stance theoretically will defeat your switch stance.

Another problem with the fighting in your switch stance is that your dominant eye is not lined up with the backhand. While your weaker hand might be equally strong, it will never have the same accuracy and precision. Suppose you are right eye dominant but choose to stand southpaw. That means you’re going to be aiming your left cross using your right eye–which is HARD and also awkward. If you don’t know what I mean, try throwing a hard southpaw left cross while closing your left eye (also try it vice versa). If you’re right eye dominant, you should definitely leave your right hand in the back so your dominant hand is lined up with your dominant eye.

Trying to aim the back hand punch with the opposite eye
is like trying to aim a sniper rifle from your waist!

Suppose you’re an orthodox fighter, I do agree that you should learn a few basics on the southpaw stance so that you know how it feels to fight from that angle and to think in the mindset of a southpaw. Other than learning some basics from your switch-stance, I would always recommend focusing on taking your original stance to the next level. One good stance beats two bad stances.

I think most people want to master both stances because they want to feel adaptable and versatile in the boxing ring. Instead of learning 2 stances, why don’t you use 2 styles? Learning 2 entirely different styles from your normal stance would improve your style adaptiveness and still take advantage of your natural dominant stance.

Lastly, I’m sure there are going to be hundreds of people who will read this and completely disregard what I just said because they don’t agree. If that’s you, I suggest that you quickly put yourself into a competitive sparring match and see how well your switch stance works.

 

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21 Comments

Beta Kung fu December 14, 2010 at 7:20 pm

Hi Coach! thanks again for your informative articles, how do you develop defense and offense awareness?

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Tom December 15, 2010 at 5:11 am

Converted fighter?
What do you think of left side dominant fighters who have been converted to fight orthodox style? Couldn’t that actually be an advantage in some ways because his left arm punches would be much more powerful and effective?

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Johnny N December 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm

Converted boxing stances
Tom,
Yes, being a converted boxer like Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, or Victor Ortiz does have its benefits. Having a stronger jab arm is an advantage. Likewise, having a weaker cross is a disadvantage. If you’re tall like De La Hoya and can keep guys away with a long jab, it can work. If they get past that jab arm, which they will at some point, your back hand better be strong enough to get them off you.

Beta Kung Fu,
Developing defensive and offensive awareness. It will take a lot of drills. Focus mitts, double-end bag, speedbag and light sparring.

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Aaron 'Bones' October 4, 2011 at 12:51 pm

Im left eye dominant but fight from an orthadox stance, quite strange because i know 2/3 of people are right eye dominant, does this mean i should fight from southpaw?

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Johnny N October 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm

No Aaron, it doesn’t mean that. You’ll have to use what you feel best. I’m left eye dominant in orthodox stance, too. It’s not always possible to satisfy every requirement. Use what feels more natural and performs the best.

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Morris October 16, 2012 at 3:44 pm

I’m considering changing my stance from orthodox to southpaw for self-defense purposes. In your opinion, is this a bad idea? I’m right-handed but left-eye dominant. I’m also studying Eskrima and we fight right-handed, since much of what we learn is with weapons.

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Johnny N October 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm

This is boxing; I recommend my boxing advice.

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Jim September 26, 2013 at 6:10 am

Granted im a kickboxer not a proper boxer, but I have found switching stances to be benificial in fights and sparring. Particularly if you are standing in southpaw to an orthodox fighter you can easily come over the top with a right hook with you power hand. Also it tends to confuse people who are only used to sparring with orthodox oponents (even southpaws themselves).

Food for thought anyway.

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Bryan December 19, 2013 at 8:59 am

I am going to say that I don’t agree with this. I think ideally you should be trained to work both stances from the beginning of your boxing career. Of course if you try to pick up this skill mid career it is going to be very awkward and slow going, but still beneficial. Of course you can’t decide today that you want to do this and go into a fight next week and utilize it. It doesn’t work like that. It is going to take months, if not years to perfect something like this.

I do not compete but really just look at boxing as a fitness and self defense/confidence thing. I started doing this to get a change from weight lifting. Coming from that background I looked at it like, if I train one stance then I will only work half of my body. After doing this for 2-3 years I feel comfort working in both stances. I also feel a little difference in style out of either stance. I feel differences in the grace of my footwork. I actually almost feel more graceful going southpaw (I am orthodox naturally) but more precise with my feet as an orthodox. My jab is very stiff at southpaw, which is expected since that is my power hand.

In the amateur ranks you don’t have the time to research your opponents and to bring this skill into the ring, if proficient, could be a major game changer. It can really confuse an opponent to get used to looking at an opponent in one stance in one round and then all of the sudden they are seeing their opponent from a completely different view.

I have to finish my comment by saying this; I have read a lot of boxing material. The theory of working both stances is not a very popular one. It gets shot down all of the time. I have actually been pushing it a lot on a couple of forums I frequent the past couple of days and have been surprised by the positive responses that I have gotten for it. I honestly think that “don’t do it” is something people have heard from their trainers and have just been too scared to try. After all, you put all your trust in your trainer. They will make you or break you. I think martial arts are evolving all of the time. I think this is just something that needs to be part of that evolution. We need to move on into something that will improve boxing technique. Johnny, I love your site. I think your info is great and I love it and soak most of it up. I am going to disagree with you on this one though. :)

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Johnny N December 19, 2013 at 1:45 pm

I think you should train and spend a few years in a competitive environment before straight out disagreeing with people who have. There are so many reason…some that can’t be explained…some that can’t. More importantly, it’s best for you to actually try it and see why it fails in actual fighting conditions.

The theory of being able to surprise people in amateur boxing competition will not work. I suggest for you to try it out and you’ll see why. Every fighter that’s been trained well knows darn well to always give his opponents “different looks” and “different angles” and “try different things”. This is nothing special, we’ve all been trained to do it. And experience will very quickly teach you that you are far more effective offering “different looks” from your best stance then to try and switch stances and give “different looks” from your weaker stance. Sure, you can train both and tell yourself that both are even or even that you’re ambidextrous now, but the truth is: one side will always be the better one.

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Bryan December 19, 2013 at 1:54 pm

As I said, I have gotten more positive feedback on it than I thought I would. So, I would say that, If trained like it should be, it can be beneficial. Obviously there are more people out there that believe in it than just me. You just have to put the time and effort into it. There are also many pros out there that have utilized this strategy. If you are ever going to be able to use this you have to start early, from the beginning stages of your career. I would be interested to hear your opinion on why it would fail in actual fighting conditions. I would also like to know if it failed with a person who had just started trying it versus a person who had been training this way for quite a while.

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Johnny N December 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm

What I’m saying is for you to try it for yourself. There are so many people who don’t even train but go around offering advice.

I’ve actually explained against it in another guide recently. I think it was in my shadowboxing guide. Somebody was asking about it. Look it up in the comments section of the “Guide to Shadowboxing” article and you’ll see the discussion.

I’ve done it myself and know many others who do it. It fails easily and once you try fighting yourself, you’ll understand why. It’s simply not practical. It’s one of those things that sound good in theory but rarely work out.

But the bottom line is…you should do it YOURSELF before coming to any conclusions…regardless of what I or what anybody else thinks. That is the only way to know for sure and to see why. It won’t take you long, either. You can easily test its effectiveness within 1 month of training and sparring.

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Bryan December 20, 2013 at 8:09 pm

I read the comments of that blog. I still agree with what I am saying, but along with the person who you were talking with on that page, I do not want to take away from your blog. I have a lot of respect for you as well. With that, I will stop the debate. I would like to point out though that something like this would take more than just a month of time to master. I think that some boxing strategy to prepare for a certain fight is just honing or molding what you already have, but to get comfortable with another stance is almost starting over from the ground up. If you don’t take the proper amount of time and you don’t believe in your style, it will fail. Again, I really respect what you do here and I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge. You do have a lot of it. You are a true artist.

Johnny N December 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Since it’s time to leave final comments, I will take this opportunity to leave my own. Time spent training in a switch stance (especially for a beginner) will pretty much be WASTED time.

A fighter with 100 hours of training in his regular stance will definitely beat a fighter who’s spent 50 hours training in each stance.

Now what if you want to argue that one guy spent 100 hours in one stance and the other guy did 98 hours and 2 hours? I would say the difference is nothing. Because whatever the other guy did with only 2 hours is not going to be natural and effective enough in a real fight. What if he spent 90 hours and 10 hours? Well now he’s definitely behind.

This is a fight. Best weapon vs best weapon. Your best stance needs to beat his beat stance….forget about relying on other inferior stances and styles that you pull out. If he’s kicking your ass from your BEST and MOST DOMINANT STANCE, switching it around to your weaker side is not going to help you.

And again, I would advise you to try this and see it firsthand why it’s such a bad idea. Because this is one of those theories beginners come up with all the time. (It will NOT work in a real competitive environment with seasoned well-trained amateur competition-level boxers.) I never ever see seasoned fighters train this, teach this, or recommend it. If you can do it, great…but to train it as part of your skill asset, uhhhh…very unrealistic.

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Matt December 21, 2013 at 2:26 am

What are your boxing credentials? You give all this advice online about the specifics of boxing but what exactly is the nature of your boxing experience? Have you fought as an amateur or a pro? Who taught you how to box? How many fights have you had? Which gym have you trained at? How many years have you been boxing?

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Johnny N January 8, 2014 at 6:29 pm

My boxing credentials are…I’m basically a guy who lived in the gym for a long long time. No, I did not fight a billion amateur fights or pro fights but I did train under great trainers and alongside some amateur and pro champions and was also taught the same things they were taught. I came out of several gyms. Anyway…you can read all about me in my bio (click on my name).

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cliffysfishing February 20, 2014 at 4:29 am

ok umm i have a problem my ambidextrous friend is looking to get into boxing he can write neatly catch etc with both hands and is confused about which stance to train what would you say to go for i think he maybe a little better orthodox but its hard to tell umm more the feet i think one leg is slightly better and maybe a hand to i think he had to teach himself to right left so im thinking orthodox. yeah thx for ur help this is an amazing site u run

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